ferbie is. david asman, sandra smith. david: sand draw will have to know what a ferby is. we'll talk about that. market overall, it is okay. it is edging ever closer to the 14,000 mark. sandra: s&p has the longest winning streak since 2004. david: that's good. let's go to nicole petallides at the new york stock exchange. we're talking about all the good news. you know me, i'm an apple stockholder. not any good news again today. no good news. >> your friend ted weisberg uses a phrase, stuck holder. because now you're stuck with it. david: yeah. >> the trade is below 450 today for apple. 437 was the low. obviously still under significant pressure. nowhere near 700. sandra: so on the flipside netflix's run continues. believe it or not it gives a boost to its competitor. shares are up 15%, nicole.

>> netflix soaring. unbelievable. 52-week high. taking competitors, stealing people away from hbo. great content. [closing bell rings] david: you wonder whether it is getting a little overbought. as the bell rings on wall street, look how the stocks are finishing up. dow trading up 66 points. going into the close it was going to the upside. s&p 500 also up by a little more percentablewise. nasdaq the big winner of you will the indices in terms of percentage gain. russell 2000 hanging in there with half a percentage. sandra: s&p closing above 1500. gold miners not shining like the browder market today underperforming the market. a move lower following a drop in gold prices following better than expected data out of europe of the move lower was led by kinross gold and your favorite, david, iam gold. david: i love that name. despite housing numbers hits

fifth highs they're going higher with the price of houses going lower. drm, make as three times bullish bet on the real estate sector. itb was up. portfolio consists of construction related stocks. roof, this is real estate small cap etf all of them making new highs. sandra: another big winner in today's session was the chip equipment stocks the sector got a lift following strong results from kla ten core. kla was the top performer followed by lam research and asml which was up 4%, david. david: let's tell you what we have got planned for this afternoon because we've got a busy show. timothy geithner saying good buy to his job as secretary treasury. jack lew is the nominee, the person that coo be taking over. guess what is a lot, a lot more partisan than tim geithner that worked for both republicans and democrats. steve forbes tells us what

that can mean for policy going forward. sandra: howard lutnick, ceo of cantor fitzgerald, shares his investing ideas for 2013. the prime minister of haiti, he talks about the big roll the private sector is playing in the rebuilding of his country and his economy. david: before we get started on this hour, we want to tell you what drove the markets with today's data. a sea of green on wall street with all three major indices ending week higher. dow, s&p and nasdaq posting a fourth straight week of gains the dow is the week's winner, closing up 1.%. all 10 s&p sectors ending the trading day higher led by consumer discretionary and energy. the euro hitting a 11-month high versus the dollar after the ecb said banks will pay back loans faster than expected. euro rising to $1.34 in intraday trading against the greenback. new home sales as we mentioned before falling

last month dropping to an annual rate of 3509,000. that is last month's drop did not derail the previous gains. housing sales posted the best year since 2009, jumping 20% from a year ago, sandy. >> we have our market panel. jeff saut, chief investment strategist at raymond james. david steinberg, dls capital managing partner. let's first start with mark. the take on the rally here. it is good news, bad news. this market seems to want to continue to plow higher. >> absolutely. we have some tax clarity. we have some debt ceiling clarity. you give the market clarity, and improving economic numbers and decent earnings season hard for us not to rally higher. you know, we're closing over 1500. we closed over 1500 under monday. i think that is really bullish for the next couple of weeks at least through friday's employment numbers. i want to point out something really interesting that is happening. the jcj the correlation

index. little in the weeds here. but what it really measures how stocks are correlating to the s&p 500. when stocks are correlating a lot, that's bearish stocks and it makes stock picking very, very difficult because really you're picking stocks, a slave to the overall market. that index is now at precrisis lows. so stock pick something now something we can do. something we haven't been able to do for a long period of time. so what are we seeing this first quarter? stocks are moving but the indexes are not. so you're being rewarded for being a good stock-picker and being penalized, apple, for being a bad stock-picker. david: mark, hold on a second. i have got to stop you there to talk about apple. i have got two semel questions. one for a person who is not a apple stockholder. is there a buy-in point at apple? do you see at any of these price levels we've been flirting with today, a buy-in level? and second, if you bought

apple at 600, do you dump it or do you hold onto it? >> i'm for, let's start with the second question. i would do kind of a quasi-dump. the implied volatility of apple options is pretty low for how much it is been moving. i would dump the stock and go out and buy a 5, 600 call spread or 500, $700 call spread and hedge my sale because i think apple could see 400 before it sees 500. david: okay. let me get you onto the second question. if i don't own apple, what is the buy-in point? >> i'll tell you. i would, i think $400, that stock starts to look really attractive. that dividend yield looks pretty good. i will be honest and offered. 400, 395 put spread for a buck. i'm hoping to get hit. i think that is level i think apple starts to get interesting. sandra: mark sebastian, stay there in the pits. we'll see you in just a few minutes when the s&p 500 futures close for the week. david: you like to hear the

action in the background. good ambient sound. stay with us, mark. let's bring in our market panel, jeff saut and david steinberg. gentlemen, good to see you. jeff, first of all, earnings season what are you taking away so far from this earnings season? >> earnings are getting revised down up until the first week of january. then they started hooking up, looking for 3.2% increase in earnings over the quarter. so far as of wednesday, which is latest date data i have, a little over 67% the companies at that report, that is only 100 of the s&p 500 companies had beaten expectations. i think you will see earnings come in on the bright side. sandra: david, you think 2013 is going to be the year of the asset allocation. you like equities. you're favoring equities in the new year. >> correct. sandra: is this a time to pick individual stocks or time to play the broader market as far as indexes are concerned? >> you know, about 18 months ago i was on your show and i talked about everything

lining up correctly, that investors were underinvested in equities, overinvested in bonds. that, if you look back in 2012 exactly what happened. modest movement into equities and you got a great return. i think it is the same situation. investors are grossly underinvested in equities. globally, and domestically. i think basically what you need to do, what your viewers node to recognize, take a step back and say, do i have enough exposure to equities? there is no return in the bond market for the most part. you have trillions of dollars of cash on the sidelines. you've got reasonable growth all around the world and reasonable valuations. you need to spread it out. you need to diverse fight it. it will be a transition year. it could be a really big year if it gets any type of momentum and started off really well this year. david: jeff, you heard what a lot of traders are saying. there is bound to be some kind of a pullback. there has been a terrific run-up since the election and since they finalized those deals inside the beltway. are we setting ourselves up

for some kind of pullback? those folks with a lot of cash are waiting for one right now? should they? >> i do think you're setting yourself up for somewhat after pullback. i don't think it gets downside traction because as mark said, things are improving. you get this political situation behind you, which we've been adamant about. i spend a lot of time living inside the d.c. beltway and was pretty adamant the fiscal cliff was not armageddon and our government is becoming less dysfunctional. you got get the worries in the rear view mirror and people look what is going well. housing recovery is real. auto situation is strong. david: let me hold you on housing for a second, jeff. we had a pullback on prices. we had a tremendous run-up in 2012 in the price of housing. were you worried at all on the prices today? >> not really because if you drill down into the numbers, beneath the surface numbers are really not all that bad. i'm here in real estate central in st. petersburg,

clear water, tampa, the housing recovery is real. you're seeing spec homes built and they're trading hands. sandra: get to your individual picks. there are certain stocks you like. you tend to favor the cyclical sectors. i'm seeing names like hewlett-packard, intel, mosaic, general motors to. tell us about your picks. >> those are the last four we put on. we're basically set up with cyclical companies that range from things like general motors, hewlett-packard, intel and technology, technology, equipment, manufacturers, testing. as well as we've got exposure in commodity areas like freeports and coal area. and basically when we begin to see a recovery, if we look past the politicians and what is going on in washington and investors get the sense these people are careerists. in the end they will do what they need to do to keep the economy going and you get a shift of capital in the markets and people spending again and there has been some reserve spending in

cap-ex for major corporations they start coming on-line line you will have all sorts of cyclical companies do well across the board. david: jeff, let's talk about your picks. not surprising, rain near, the timber company. ryn. rainier. i want to talk about a country, not a company. watch mexico very closely. as they begin to get things in order they could be for us what china used to be for us. explain. >> i think that's right. according to the international monetary fun per capita wages in china are going from $3100 to $21,000 by 2030. you will see a crassover in the next 18 to 24 months where the median wage in mexico will be below the median wage in china. and i think that mexico is going to be the next china. david: how do you buy into it? if you believe in mexico, how do you buy into it right now? >> one of the ways we're playing it through kansas city southern the

fairway up through mexico and rail beds through the midwest part of the country. my analyst has a good ratings on that. the stock has done pretty well. david: kansas city southern, take note, folks. there it is. sandra: it looks pretty strong the past year. thanks so jeff saut and david steinberg. david: have a great weekend. sandra: auto sales up 20% in 2012. things are doing well in florida. more signs that the market is finally recovering. we have someone with close to $2 billion in real estate fund. and he is going to tell us where to find some profits. david: today, treasury secretary tim geithner leaving office. what can we expect for the man that president obama nominated to take his place? outgoing chief of staff, jack lew? the guy is a political operative. how will he be his treasury secretary? steve forbes is here to weigh in on that. sandra: find out why the money market fund industry is trying to keep you from your own money in times of crisis. ♪

sandra: s&p 500 futures closing right now ahead of the weekend. let's head back to mark ses -- sebastion in the pits of the cme. how are things looking?. >> looks like we gave away couple points after the bell. cash is 1500 right now in the s&p. watch those s&p levels. the s&ps need to break the 1500 level. that is the tradable asset. if that breaks 1500 that could lead into breakout next week and lead to some momentum that is something i will watch mopped and tuesday. sandra: thanks so much, mark. david: thanks, mark. shares of radioshack, haven't heard much about that. they are soaring today. nicole is on the floor of nyse to tell us why. >> very interesting. radioshack is a stock beaten down, out of favor, certainly not the hot stock

of wall street. what is interesting today, we had deutsche bank coming out saying retailer is quote, pretty significant crossroads. we saw the stock up 15, almost 15%. 14.25% to be precise. they had a partnership with target. that fizzled. now they're launching a another hail mary with a plan to grow the brand in emerging markets and asia. we'll see what happens. of course if you have been to a aid yee shack lately, -- radioshack lately, it is not about toys or wires it is all about phones. anybody who has been in the store knows that. positive comments from deutsche bank made radioshack soar. david: a lot of funds unfortunately are galaxy. >> radioshack, not talked about enough. david: seems kind of a sleepy these days. i'm glad to see the share price is up. good to see you. sandra: thanks, nicole. david: go ahead. that is your read. sandra: new proposal in washington would make it

harder for money market fund customers to get their own cash. real interesting story. david: kind of scary. imagine your own money being out of reach. fox business's peter barnes is looking at details on this. peter, did i get it right? >> yeah, david and sandy, you did. regulators say the idea to make trillions of dollars of money market fund safer for investors. these fund as you know typically are valued like cash at a dollar a share but during the financial crisis in 2008, one of the big funds, the reserve fund, broke the buck because it had invested in short-term debt of lehman brothers which went bankrupt. customers panicked. there was a run on money market funds. the treasury department had to provide a taxpayer backstop to halt the run. regulators don't ever want to have to do that again. i don't think taxpayers want to do that either. so they issued some reforms, approved some reforms back in 2010 but they have been battling the industry to do more about this. now the industry opposes the regulators latest proposal,

such as letting asset values float, a little above or below a dollar. holding back some customer cash for a short weighting period in a financial crunch. or requiring fund to hold capital like banks. but the industry is countering with a proposal, kind of a pause button, a circuit breaker. basically to prevent customer runs during a crisis for some fund. for example, they could suspend redemptions for up to 30 days. or, if a customer really needed the money, they could pay a 1% redemption fee, a liquidity fee over, actually, a immediately apparently. now the regulators are looking at the industry's proposal but they worry, quote, standby liquidity fees and temporary gates may increase the risk of preemtiff runs by investors who would be motivated to redeem the shares before a fee or gate is triggered. fund operators as you can imagine are rattled over all this the largest money fund operator, fidelity, says

more than 40% of its customers told it they would stop investing if they had to pay a 1% redemption fee. sandra and david. sandra: wow, interesting story. david and i were reminiscing about the couple of months. david: they were scary. it was scary. i pulled money out after money market fund. this could make things worse. >> thanks, guys. david: treasury secretary geithner's last day on the job today. forbes media, chairman and editor-in-chief, good man, steve forbes. some say he would make a good treasury secretary. what we expect from the guy who will be taking over at the treasury, jack lew. this man who has proven to be a lot more partisan than geithner. sandra: it is back to davos where liz sat down with one of the most in demand ceos out there, howard lutnick of cantor fitzgerald. find out his investment ideas from davos next ♪ ed. what's next?

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david: think about it. if you suddenly, tragically lost about 2/3 of your employees could you ever be rebuild and be one of the most in demand ceos at the world economic forum? sandra: liz claman is in davos, switzerland, with the man who did just that. liz: he is all american ceo who has opened more than 100 businesses worldwide, many of them after 9/11. he is howard lutnick, chairman and ceo of can't tore fitzgerald and bgc

partners and davos is his stomping ground. 19 years you've been coming. >> a lot of years. liz: a lot of years. do you do it for networking, deal-making, why are you here? >> first you meet so many people. you can stand still in the middle of the congress center, in and out everybody comes. you say hello to everybody. you talk it them. you can see them outside of the normal in the office business environment. i met barry who runs real estate business. he joined my board. i bought his company call from davos. liz: there are deals at least the seeds are sown here? >> that's right. it creates personal relationships you know that create the relationships outside to make it work. liz: real estate business genesis of it was here has been huge for you guys. >> we started with frank. bought grub and el lis and brought the two together. very interest rates are

great for commercial real estate. you can finance it cheaply. low interest rates is ails good for somebody. not good in the finance business but in the real estate business. liz: not good good for savers but good for that is right part of your business which brought in a lot of revenues. what is the most interesting conversation you've been a part of this time around? >> i met the t-shock i only word is the prime minister of ireland. what i thought was really interesting, he was very focused on business. he came here and his whole group is here to say we're open for business. we're focused on dis. you're in france and they're talking about bank compensation and cutting. they're very negative towards business. here was ireland completely, completely here, focused on trying to bring jobs in, to try to get his young people jobe. he was focused on building. i thought that was just refreshing. liz: you bought a business in ireland. you're doing business there,

correct. >> correct we bought dole man securities. we will add hundreds of jobs. it is a friendly environment. great education. dublin is a great city. they will build themselves out. they have done a great job coming back from the bailout. the way they're doing it is focusing on jobs, jobs, jobs. liz: you're one of some 20, not many firms who have been granted the ability to do trading on behalf of the federal reserve and behalf of the government. if they were to finally tighten rates, would that help your business a bit? i know it might hurt the commercial real estate business but, you know, rates at zero to 1/4% have killed certain segments of business out there. >> of course. i mean you have a two-year note at .2. what kind of rate is .2? that is not interest rate. you have a million dollar investment and u.s. treasury and buy coffee. liz: that changed under my sofa seats. >> what you're going to see when this $7 trillion of

this liquidity, quantitative easing, that the federal government has thrown in, sloshing around causing these rates to be so, so, low, it really made u.s. treasurys a noninvestable good. it is a storage facility. it is not really an investment. what will happen, when they try to take the money out what you will see all analysts of the world will immediately say, money is coming out, even if they take this much out they're immediately going to point to, you remember in 2007, interest rates were over 5%. liz: correct. >> that will hap that is the scary part. what will happen when they try to start to take it out? everyone will look to push rates hard that way. when interest rates come back up, think of it, the federal government pays interest on guy beganic $16 trillion deficit and turns it around. liz: what is your best bet in 2013? >> i still like all the low interest rate investments. i think gold stays well. i think art does well. diamond do well. liz: oh good.

>> commercial real estate is going to do great. anything that has a base on low interest rates. so commercial real estate is probably a great place where people can invest, make yield and get growth. and succeed in the long term. i really like real estate as a business. you saw that blackstone bought residential right? because they see the same thing. they will fix them up and rent them out. the idea is up, up, up. comes real estate pause interest rates are so darn low. liz: howard, thank you very much. howard lutnick, chairman and ceo of cantor fitzgerald and bgc partners. we'll bring it back to new york where he actually based. david: very decent guy. very decent guy. thank you, liz claman. sandra: liz also sat down with the prime minister of haiti who has a business background. later this hour find out how he is working with the private sector to change his country's image and build a stronger economy. david: and today is treasury secretary geithner's last day on the job. what can we expect from the

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liz: time for a quick speed read of some of the day's other headlines. five stories, one minute. financial services firms are on track to eliminate the most jobs this month since the start of 2009. so far 16,040 jobs had been lost in the past three weeks, just short of the 16,389 cuts made during january 2009. activists with the polar bear shutdown as set -- show gas station near the world economic forum about 25 activists chained to the gas pump stela to protest the oil drilling in the arctic. the eurozone debt problems are not scary all countries away. lithuanians new prime minister says the country and to join the eurozone and introduced a single currency in two years. president obama named dennis mcdonough as the new white house chief of staff. one of the president's closest and most trusted advisers for nearly a decade.

he bypass the senate bill vacancies from the national labor relations board. the panels that obama did not have the power to make three appointments last year. david: extra cents. all right. timothy gator eggs is the treasury. a man the president has put to take his place is a lot more partisan. how will this affect our economy? joining us now, steve forbes, forbes media chairman editor in chief and star of forbes on fox which is tomorrow on fox news and 11:00 a.m. >> you're the host. we follow your lead. david: i fell yours. this guy's partisan background goes back to tip o'neill. of course that was the day when republicans and democrats actually dealt with each other. timothy geithner is clearly much more nonpartisan, working with republicans and democrats. how will that affect negotiations in congress? >> what it means is right now there will be no real

negotiations. the president's way or the highway, and so the republicans have to do what ronald reagan did, first, start to get public opinion on your side. then you go on the real and that you can play. so far the republicans have not done it. the fact that they back down on the debt ceiling debate was a good thing in the sense. came over. we saw that before. so start to change public opinion. forced the democrats to increase the debt ceiling and start to win over the public. david: one other thing that is extraordinary, how? you have a media that allows statements such as the following. this is a statement that was made back in 2011 about the 2000 volt budget. this budget includes a five-year non security discretionary spending freeze, reducing the deficit and this will bring spending to the lowest level since president eisenhower sat

in the oval office. statements like this are so far removed from the truth. in fact, this president has increased spending to 25 percent of gdp, whereas it was 20 percent of the bush ministration. it was 16 percent under eisenhower. so they say these things and the press does not correct in. have you went public opinion that that? >> i think that was set on saturday night live, was the? david: no. taken seriously. >> well, first, you get a spokesman. the "wall street journal" said the other day, each house should get a spokesman. a spokesperson. one voice speaking for the leaders instead of having to and people go at once. another thing have to do is, but positive things. radical tax reform a different -- flat tax for having these non-negotiable ious with social security chained to a marketable bonds. you can make it debt payments. how about passing a law saying

you cannot use the medicare money for obamacare. start throwing in offense. pass these things. that harry reid on -- dagen blocking a bill. david: is comments notwithstanding, the budget is lower than it was during a eisenhower, which is nonsense, we have seen the budget. we saw from 2009 when the budget went way up. but that just stayed there. we can show the figures from two dozen day through 2012 showing that we are now at 25% per gdp level of spending. that is the norm now. >> this president understands spending is power. that is why his notions of cutting spending when he says it, he feels he has to say it, absolute nonsense. he once more, not less. republicans should come across not just as accountants, but start getting some of these ridiculous things like feeding heroin to monkeys and programs like that that we're going to

discuss. david: that was a real program that we will be talking about tomorrow. >> and start to highlight, even though it's not big numbers, it gets across the the government is doing crazy things. on the debt ceiling, but the proposal. revenues of 18% of gdp instead of 25. put some real things on the table. let the democrats back. david: finally, financial regulation. that clearly is going to be costing a lot of folks out there a lot of money. all the details have not been filled then. he will be the one to fill them in. >> it's killing small banks, and they're talking about lending to small and medium-sized businesses. regulators at banks today are making it clear you have a difficult time making those kinds of loans. easy to buy government bonds. they're taking money from the private sector, financing the government, starting the job creators of our economy. david: not very efficient.

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liz: well, we all remember the earthquake that devastated 83 years ago. maybe you even donated money to help, but then perhaps you may have regretted that during when

you see people still living in tent cities their years later. david: things have not seemed to change. as the prime minister asks world leaders for even more. >> the country of haiti crystallizes the need for global aid but also frustrates anybody out there, any country who has ever wanted to help you read is that about to change? there are new leaders. the prime minister is joining us now. what i find interesting, very much about your perspective is that you were a telecom entrepreneur before becoming prime minister. tell me what you hope to bring from year of life into your new one? >> the spirit that things can change with the private capitol, private investment. this is what he means to men this is what we're looking for. liz: tell me how to believe you? we are tricked many years by

haitian leaders who were corrupt, took the money that came in aid for the poor people. how will you change the? >> this government is very pro-business. we come from a business background. we understand that with private capital the government alone is not going to change 80. we need the private businesses to come. we have had several that can already. heineken just invested in haiti. things are looking better for the country. liz: what do you offer private business that is out there looking to set up shop in places where they feel there is opportunity? >> we have the biggest industrial park in the caribbean . $250 million investment. we're very happy about that and feel that this is the platform on which to build to bring the country forward. liz: it is time for people to see something other than video out of haiti of ten cities or misery coming from an earthquake that is now three years ago.

we remember in the united states so many people open their hearts and they're wallets, and all they ever see is the negative. you're talking about an industrial park. some kind of infrastructure? >> one of the points of real looking for growth, if as you say, we always talk about haiti's problems and liabilities , well, there are good things. one of the nicest islands in the caribbean. the tourism sector is one where growth can come. we are pushing -- we are aggressively pushing one of the nicest islands in the caribbean. white, sandy beaches, coconut trees, and we have the largest investors investing in an island right now. we are very excited about the future prospects. liz: what is the one thing you take from your entrepreneurial

days were you were a telecom executive to really bring to the country right now? >> one of the things, to show -- one is hard work. second is the private capital is what makes the difference. we cannot depend on handouts forever. we have to take matters into our own hands. love the country and push as much as possible to get a development going. now wait for people to assist us are waiting for handouts. we have to be aggressive, focused, and deliver results. liz: prime minister of haiti. we wish you good luck. it is a tough challenge, but we wish you luck there. >> thank you. what to think the american people for helping us when we needed it the most. we are working very hard to change things in haiti. liz: that's good to hear. extending a hand back during the disaster, but we appreciate it. i will send it back to you in new york.

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♪ >> new home sales unexpectedly falling last month. new-home sales posted its first annual gain since 2005. david: someone with real estate plays. resource realistic goal portfolio management. have to take issue. at least we have to question whether not this downward trend will continue. he says there will be more falls to come in price and it could go quite a bit lower from where it is now. >> there could be more.

think what he was trying to say is not let's get too far ahead of ourselves in terms of being on the cusp of a boom in house press. david: most of the mortgages are being supported by the government and that is sort of -- there is an irrationality about that, and artificiality that is troublesome. >> we would not disagree with that, we think housing has bottomed. you have a look at the fact that new home sales were up 20% year-on-year. down in december. levels are back to pre crisis. home prices for existing homes are up 12%. all that being said, we are completely on board with the idea that home prices are going to be very slow and gradual recovery. >> this draft, fell over 7 percent, that is not going to throw this recovery of? >> it's a glitch, but it reminds us of those low prices. >> where do you put your money

if you're willing to bet that this is the bottom? >> well, commercial real-estate better than single-family for a couple of reasons. as the low interest-rate support without a lot of the headaches and other issues of the artificially supported market that we see in the single-family housing. a couple of places, the apartment rates. we think it will benefit from a slow recovery in housing. more and more people will rent. that is good for a partner rentals. david: outside of the united states. an australian accent. are there good place to be looking at? >> a few opportunities internationally. unfortunately that market is done quite well. you want to find the best opportunities you have to go to europe. david: countries in particular. >> western europe, markets like france, germany, the u.k. problems away. but when you go -- david: a beaten down market like portugal. >> you don't even need to go

that far. you're looking at valuations, 30%, 20-30% discounts in terms of how the stocks apprised verses premiums year in the u.s. you can get some very good quality companies that have the western european exposure with on leases. you don't actually have to go to find a bargain. >> your talking to us in the u.s. a couple of billion in the real-estate market. what about the average investor? would you recommend that they get involved in this place? >> groups like resource real-estate and can get in for a few thousand dollars. david: good to see you. thank you very much. have a good weekend. apple tapping into a new market, a brand new market that you may not have heard of for their ipads. find out what that is right after the break. ♪ (announcer) scottrade knows our clients trade

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